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Monday, March 03, 2008

Are You Fucking Kidding Me?

Those were my first thoughts when I read this article on boston.com

I wanted to poke my eyeballs out. No actually I wanted to poke HER eyeballs out for suggesting - no putting the panic into young women - that if they want to have a baby, the first thing they do is have to FIND A HUSBAND!

And to find one in your twenties no less. And to essentially imply that if you are out there, pursuing your career instead of a husband, that you will end up infertile, childless and alone.

Does anyone else see the problem here? The problem that we as women face ALL THE FUCKING TIME when it comes to advice and mixed signals? Women are told they can have it all. That they should DO it all.

And to do it, now they're being told they need a HUSBAND first.

I call bullshit. BULLSHIT (said in that adorable Matthew McConaughey voice that he does with Kate Hudson in "How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days" and interestingly enough, again in "Fool's Gold". But I digress...)

First of all I question the logic of needing a man. Wanting a man (or partner) is one thing, but to NEED one? No. You especially don't need one to conceive. You can adopt (which the article COMPLETELY glosses over); You can use sperm banks and freeze eggs as she suggests, but let's face it - that's expensive and unproven.

But I think what gets me more, is that she's telling young women to put careers on hold, that you can have those later, but you can't have kids later. And frankly, that's so off the mark it's depressing. I'm not sure what world she lives in, but when was the last time you saw a woman entering the career force in her, oh, I dunno 40's and quickly climbing to the top of the corporate ladder because her resume read "mommy"?

I'd be willing to say...never. She's making it seem like these women CAN have big career but should do it after they've landed a HUSBAND. And that young women should PURSUE finding a man with the same vigor they would in finding that great corporate gig instead.

Did this chick step out of the 1950's or what?

Now, I know there are PLENTY of women who are mother's and have careers. I know there are plenty of women who have made the choice to have a family early in their lives because for them, that was what was most important. That was what they wanted in their lives. And that's awesome. But there are just as many who have struggled and fought their way up in the working world so young women WOULD and COULD hold jobs that men have held for decades, to give women the chance of breaking through the glass ceiling and this bullshit she's feeding her readers does nothing but set that movement back god only knows how long.

She's almost as bad as Ann Coulter (shudder) telling Ivy League women who can have nearly every opportunity in life within their reach that they should be teachers and librarians and stay at home mothers. Those are great jobs for women who want them, but don't make it seem as if you're failing your duty as a woman by chasing a different dream for yourself.

But this woman is making it sound as if every woman in her 20's who is NOT on the fast track to motherhood by the time she's like 24 (because really, that's when you should've started, didn't you know) that it's NEVER going to happen for you.

I think what bugs me most, aside from being so archaic and ridiculously fear-mongerging is how little emphasis she's placed on the value of having a loving, caring, deep relationship with the "baby daddy".

She spent 10K on a dating service to meet someone, so desperate was she to have this happen. $10K? (Hasn't she heard of eHarmony?) What about love? What about liking the person you're with?

Men, as much as we don't need them, wouldn't you WANT to be with someone you actually LIKE if you're planning on marrying them and procreating? You can't buy love in a relationship (but sadly, you can buy a baby, the sperm, the eggs...) Hell, she'd probably condone paying someone to raise the kid, too, with as little time and effort she seems to have to find a suitable father, how the hell would she find time to be a good mother?

Why does she even want a child? Because she thinks she should? To complete her? To love someone other than herself?

I just think the tone of the article made it sound as though if you're not actively man hunting, you're wasting your life and it made me angry angry angry.

Young women in their 20's have enough pressure as it is to be successful and to find "the one" thanks to Hollywood and their 'relationship' clocks ticking, but to throw in the pressure of 'you better find the guy, snag him up to have babies' ASAP is a ridiculous sentiment to impose on anyone, and it's simply unfair.

I fell into that trap. Not because I wanted babies, but because I thought that if I didn't meet and marry the guy in my 20's, I'd be some washed up old hag at 35 whose cat would eat her face off when she choked on kung pao chicken (and yes, I watched too much SATC...)

I'm just saying. There's something to be said for love and a healthy marriage that's entered into for the right reasons. I would say it's much more important for a child (regardless if it's biological or not) to be raised by two people who love one another, LIKE one another and have a vested interest in each other as partners, not just as seed and a fertile field.

If you're in your 20's and you *want* the husband and the family, then yes, by all means find it and live your dream. But if that's not what you want or you're not sure if it is, don't buy into this woman's bullshit and settle for the first guy you kinda might like for fear of not finding love and therefore missing out on being able to have children. Getting married for the sole purpose of having babies is absolutely, positively the worst thing you could ever do.


(Ed. note: yes, I'm crazy opinionated. This can't *possibly* surprise any of you...)

17 comments:

Adventures in MetroLand said...

I don't necessarily agree that this woman is so wrong. It seems more of a scientific look in to fertility than a social pressure. I was an anthropology undergrad and what we learned about women's ability to conceive with out the aid of technology is along the lines of what is in the article. As a woman ages, the protein bonds that hold the DNA get weaker, thats why the body looks older and since a woman is born with all her eggs already formed, having children later opens up a lot of doors for genetic disorders. I personally would like to have kids but from what I have learned, if I am past the age of 35, I probably wont try to conceive and if I do, then its going to get expensive quick to make sure I have a healthy baby.
Just another perspective on the article.

p.s. I am 23 so I have a bit before my deadline but I can also see your point if you are in your thirties how it can seem unfair. Our reproductive system hasn't caught up to the increased life span just yet.

Diane Mandy said...

Ugh. I completely agree with you! People like this are the reason so many young women have the notion they need to find their life partner way too soon in life, really be fore they've had a chance to discover themselves, their potential. Of course, I also do not believe most men have matured enough to make a suitable partner until they've reached their mid-30s--minimum! :-)

KBear said...

oh, shit.

im turning 26 this year. have a great job, just got married, and i bought a house closing next month.

i dont have kids though. does that mean i should give it all back?

oopsie!

dumbass. i realize it's easier as you are younger to have kids, but youre ready when youre ready. that's the end of it.

jeez. this makes me want to wait til im 50 just to prove a point!

"Single Girl in the City" said...

Adventures - I totally understand it from a scientific perspective and have had friends have problems conceiving because they were older.

I guess that wasn't the part that stuck out to me in the article. I felt like she was using science as a means to pressure and frighten young women that if they are't pursuing finding a husband for the sole purpose of conceiving sooner rather than later, then all for them is lost...

which I think is a crock of shit.

Me said...

I had the same reaction to that article....like, uhhhhmmmm...say what?

"Single Girl in the City" said...

So, I was forwarded this article from another reader and just read it:

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200803/single-marry

Oh.My.God.

You know WHY this woman can sit there and condone "settling"?

BECAUSE SHE NEVER HAD TO!

and I quote:
"Obviously, I wasn’t always an advocate of settling. In fact, it took not settling to make me realize that settling is the better option..."

IS SHE JOKING?!How bout we get some women who HAVE settled to tell us all why that's such a BAD FUCKING IDEA!

I mean, my god, I've spent the last 2 years writing this blog, my book MY LIFE to show women WHY you shouldn't settle.

and now, we've got these women saying, oh yeah, forget about passion, and romance and if he smells bad, just take him.

IS THIS REALLY THE KIND OF MAN YOU WANT TO BE THE FATHER OF YOUR CHILD? IF HE'S THAT BAD DO YOU EVEN WANT TO SLEEP WITH HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE TO TRY AND CONCEIVE?!

I think I need to go betch slap somebody...

Viv said...

"I fell into that trap. Not because I wanted babies, but because I thought that if I didn't meet and marry the guy in my 20's, I'd be some washed up old hag at 35 whose cat would eat her face off when she choked on kung pao chicken (and yes, I watched too much SATC...)"

Yes! This is my worst fear! It's really sad, but my surroundings have totally fucked me up, and at 23, I am seriously worrying about this.

Abbie said...

I think you are reading too much into the article. I don't think she is advocating finding a mate to have a baby, and I believe she did mention freezing eggs at the end of the article. From her perspective, it seems she was trying to let young women know that waiting until they are older (when it is more difficult) to have children (especially if they want children) is probably not the right direction.
My sister had three miscarrages before she had my nephew and she fit the demographics this lady is talking about. Again the key word is women who WANT to have babies. If you have no desire to have kids then this article should not pertain to you.

twg said...

I want to have babies, maybe. I just don't want to have them when I still want to go out and party during the weekends. I don't want to have them when I'm not even sure what to do with my life. I don't want to be one of those people who goes from being a kid directly into having kids and wakes up 40-something with nothing in their life. And if, because of that, I have to go through treatments or maybe not have biological children, then so be it. I'd rather wait until I am ready then do it just because waiting *could* make it harder.

Not So French Girl said...

What if you're just not ready in your twenties ? You could just think you're ready. And then realize 15 years later that you're unhappy, you didn't know yourself well enough, and then it's a mess.

I am 29 (for the first time) and I do sometimes have to sqaush the panic about not being married, or even being close to the prospect of marriage. I am scared that time is running out on both the husband and the baby clock. But not most of the time. I'm very happy that I didn't get myself into something I wasn't ready for. I have faith that things will work out in my future and I will have what I need.

Kate Hutchinson said...

I know Penelope and she recently asked me to join her new meta-blog startup--there, disclosure.

That said, I think this piece is way off and it annoys the hell out of my blatantly feminist self. She does skip over adoption, which is a great option, and many other ideas, like surrogacy.

And I really dislike anyone who says that you need a man to have a baby. I have a friend who wants a baby desperately and she has a timetable to find a husband. I always try to say, well, if you have the funding and the room and the desire, just have one on your own. It's okay to be a single parent.

I hadn't yet gotten around to reacting to Penelope yet, thanks for beating me!

Anonymous said...

alright... can we get back to YOUR story now?

"Single Girl in the City" said...

Viv - Hunny, you have your whole life ahead of you at 23. Good god, 23. Believe me: in 5 years, your life will be so different than it is now, and while it's hard to imagine, you have time. LOTS of time.

Enjoy being your single self, because once you do find your "perfect person for you", you won't be living (and loving) that single life anymore.

Single in your 20's is an amazingly fun, adventurous and exciting time filled with personal growth and girlfriends and fun.

Think of it like your second, carefree childhood but with better shoes, martinis and a bigger allowance :)

Kate - Thanks for writing in, I appreciate knowing that someone from her "inner circle" is in disagreement with her on this.

While I can appreciate where she may have *wanted* to come from in this article, she totally missed the mark and did a great disservice to 20-something women.

Anon 3.5.08 6:59 - I think this article and my rant are directly related to "my" story. No, it's not up there with the fun of Peter, but it's this mentality of believing as a twenty-something woman you need to hurry up and find a man and get married that got me in my mess to begin with.

I've written my story and blog it here with the hopes of letting women know that they are not alone, they are not crazy, they do not have to find the love of their lives and settle right out of college.

I appreciate you're eager for more of the story, but this is just as relevant and as much a part of my story as anything else I've written here.

Suzanne said...

I've never worried about running out of time to get married and have kids. I'm 24 now and still not ready for any of that. I can barely manage the dog, let alone other human lives.

I always figured I'd meet Mr. Right when I meet him, and as for kids, I've always wanted to adopt rather than squeeze 'em out, as I unromantically phrase it. Why rush things? The worst thing that can happen is be a wife and mother before you're ready, because unmaking that situation is bloody difficult.

I do have a wonderful boyfriend, a wonderful dog and a wonderful career. That's good for now. If I want to step it up. I'll get a plant.

Anonymous said...

To the author of this response, I totally think I'm in love with you. I read the article first and then linked to your piece. You articulated everything that I was feeling! I am 29 and have a boyfriend but am SO FAR away from having kids (loads of debt, not enough salary, etc.) and, for a moment, the article freaked me out. But then I got mad that I got freaked out. But anyway I just had to leave you a note saying that I am now in love with you :) Thanks for the great rant!

"Single Girl in the City" said...

Suzanne - You're absolutely right. Plants are very underrated :)

Anonymous 3.6.08 6:21 - THANK YOU!!!

therapy said...

It's not so much the content of this article which offends me, but the manor in which it is written.

"If you are past your early twenties, and you're single and want to have children, you need to find a partner now."

Having a child before you are financially, or emotionally prepared, is just as unfortunate a situation as having trouble getting pregnant later in life. In my mind, these are relatively equal situations. I don't know many women in their early twenties who are in stable enough situations to support a pregnancy, let alone a toddler.